Volume 2, Number 31 August 3, 2000

In UFO2U's emailing group at www.yahoogroups.com/UFO2U (which you can join from the first page of UFO2U), I posted this message in hopes of getting some interesting responses to share here and I wasn't disappointed:

For the past year or so, I've had a great interest in visiting chat rooms that surround around biblical chat and religious stuff, for various reasons. I don't consider myself as being a religious person, but very spiritual without being New Age-like. But I did graduate from a Catholic college, and was raised as a Methodist.

Time and time again in all my years of looking into religious matters and what not, I seem to stumble upon a pattern. It seems that whenever there is a sighting or vision of Mary or Jesus, it goes according to the religion that the person upholds.

Meaning, it seems that those that are Catholic and have the opportunity for divine sightings, it's of Mary. Then most other denomonations of people, see Jesus. How can this be?

So I pose the question to you all, and I just might put this up on the site if I get some cool responses and insights:

1: Do you think that Mary, Jesus and other divine sightings go according to your religion and/or beliefs?

2: Do you think it might happen because that is what that person can most closely relate to?

3: Does it even matter who shows up, as long as that person having the vision, gets the message?

I'd appreciate any and all input on this matter, it really intrigues me.

***The following are the responses I got, and if you have any comments you'd like to add, by all means send them on in to me !!!***

#1: Jean comments:

I think that the visions are designed by God to give the full effect and get the point across because he knows what you are thinking at all times. I also believe that visions can be used by satan to deceive so the receiver has to be very careful to not get caught in a trap that will lead them the wrong direction. It was pointed out to me recently that those who mention Jesus Christ can be trusted to be true since the deceiver will not use his name, only God's.

#2: Jim responds to Jean and comments:

The Biblical reference there Jean is 1John 4:1-3: "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

I don't know personally about visions of Mary. Maybe that's because I'm not Catholic, as you said. But it does disturb me that it seems the Catholic religion wants so much to believe in praying to angels and saints.

I'm pretty sure that if the folks the Catholic church have deemed Saints could tell you their side of the story they'd say "No, you guys have it all wrong! It's Jesus you should be praying to!" After all, they're really all reknowned for their devotion to Jesus Christ, right?

I hope they don't pray to the "saints" as a matter of fear that if they go straight to Jesus they're more likely to get a busy signal. I'm sure, yes sure, that Jesus does hear it all.

As far as worshiping angels goes, I'm reminded of the incident John relates at the end of Revelations (chapter 22 verses 8-9):

I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, "Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!"

I guess I would feel the same about visions of Mary. I'd take them with a big bag of salt though myself, not just a grain.

#3: Mush comments in response to Jean & Jim:

(In response to those that don't regard Jesus as the son Mush asks) What about those that are Islamic, Hindu or Buddhist? :)

Jean then comments: The quote is from the Christian bible. Those who are Muslim, Buddist and Islam do not follow the teachings of the Christian Bible and therefore are following the teachings of a false prophet.

Mush responds: Like my dearly departed Aunt Mary used to say--" Yes to you--No to me" What it means is everyone has their own way of looking at stuff--and everyone is right in their own mind. Since we won't find out who was right until the end of the world, I think it's kinda moot, don't you? :) She also said, "What you do on the front porch, we did on the back porch". LOL (my favorite quote) Love, Mush

Bob responds to Jean: ----ah....according to Christian Doctrine (DOGMA). That's the beauty of the USA, people are free to choose to follow the false prophet of their choice! :-)

#4: Jim responds to Mush:

In response to Mush's statement: "I prefer bypassing them ALL and going straight to the Source--whatever you want to call God. :)"

Perhaps that's why Cafth prefers to use The Source. To avoid confusion about the same place, the same entity if you could even call him that.

You asked in your previous message about other religions. Perhaps the specific names in these religions are just God's, The Source's if you will, way of communicating what he's like to our human minds. Like how we often give an example a explain theoretical concept.

Communicating something like that to our human minds? Whew! What a task!

Different avenues for different folks. Even the avenue of UFOs maybe? Hmmm.

Jim then asks everyone:

As far as UFOs relate to this, I found out just recently that people actually see them differently - and was surprised to find that this is common. I don't mean like a different perspective, but I was standing RIGHT NEXT to another fellow and we saw completely different objects.

Both of us saw it at the same time, and pointed right at the same thing. We explained it to each other and it was different. Surprisingly enough, someone in the group had a book there about UFOs and when he saw a certain picture he said "Yeah, that's it, that's exactly what I saw!"

It was completely different than what I know I saw.

Weird hey?

#5: Jon comments:

I don't think it really matters, unless the source is purposefully deceptive... which I think some are. "Jesus" is a cool friend of Jan and mine (actually, we are part of the Kumara Oversoul), and assures us the "Jesus" thing had little resemblance to historical reality. And, surprisingly, the weight of "Jesus myth" research available today, outright proves that "Jesus Christ" is a composite saviour-god. However, no-one can state categorically that the man did not exist. "He" tells Jan and I that his historical person was Apollonius of Tyana, but again that person was distorted into a composite too.

#6: Wyzyrd comments:

My personal opinion is naturally that the reptoads are shape-shifting and/or bleeding through from 4D to further toy with the belief systems of humans. If you worship bananas, they would appear as the Chief Banana. It's all about causing people to worship something, anything. That way, we forget about ourselves and our abilities to serve others.

#7: Bob comments in response to all the chat:

"The only way to the father is through me".

I've always seen this as portraying Jesus as sort of a God/Man interface...and also as using Christ's life as something to emulate as a pathway toward God.

...just a note of clarification about Christian doctrine. Of course, there are a myriad of other religions...please understand I respect everyone's right to pray in whatever manner they like!

Heidi comments for all the responses given:

Wow...thanks for all the chat and insights you all gave, it all pretty much surrounded around all very same thoughts I had come into my mind on this.

I think we all better sit tight, because whatever is going on with all of the divine sightings, they are increasing at a rate of 500% if I heard correctly. Something is happening, and happening soon.

I too have had divine sightings, but I've held off on sharing them for the most part in fear that the subject of UFO's and visions of that sort might spell cult or cult-like thinking to some people. Aside from that, I don't want to sound too strange, heck the subject of UFO's and talking to an alien is freak'n odd enough. Then to add Jesus visions on top of it...hmmm...yea...I felt I needed to hold off for now...hmm..for that, and a ton of other reasons.

In time I will share them, but there's a time and place for everything and I'm really trying to pace myself and all of this "odd" stuff going on. It hasn't been easy, moreso because others can't handle to hear some things if you don't have the hard evidence to hand them. I'm doing fine so far, but it can be hard to balance between seeing stuff not "of here" and living "here!"

I've got lots to learn, and I am learning a lot from people like you that contribute and encourage me to move on in this stuff!!! Thanks again to everyone for everything!